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Well I just got back from Snow. Ill do a writeup once I get settled in, get results, and get some time. I had a great time.
I just think it was total BS that Yardsale was removed from the course for the pros and semi's this morning after we had to ride it all weekend and race it yesterday. It rains and they decide its too dangerous? It wasnt too dangerous while it was raining during practice 2 days before? I think if a section of a course that important is questionable for any reason, than do something about it before any racing begins. Rain/weather is part of the game....if its too wet, then run part of it it like half the experts had to.
I feel bad for some of the riders who had no choice but to ride yardsale as it was and ended up with serious injuries and couldnt race. Lisa Sher was pretty badly hurt, one of our local riders Dawn broke both of her wrists, some unknown rider bruised his liver, another guy in practice broke multiple bones in his arm, leg, and some ribs. I think it sucks that they had to get wrecked on something that ended up being removed from the course at the last minute. All the pros I talked to agreed that it was a stupid move as well. It should have been removed for everyone or not at all.
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Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2003 9:46 pm
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yeah, i mean all of the injuries occured during practice, where anything can happen because people are trying to see what their limits are on a coarse. I think the yardsale was cut off because of it being so wet but come on, they're PROS. at least have both the yard sale and the alternate open. I think anyone of the injured riders would agree too...let them ride. i just think it's ironic that i had to race a "harder" coarse than the pros.
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Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2003 9:55 pm
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Yeah.. Norba was really pissing me off this whole race, first with the closing of the left hand line in yardsale... if you are to stupid not to slow down a lil bit going into the rocks then thats your own damn fault for getting hurt, i took that line at a decent speed,, not going bat outta hell and made it through fine unhurt.
Then when i went to norba to ask them about why they did that the guy just told me to basicly deal with it and just ride whats not marked off in some snippy attitude, when i asked them just mainly outta curiosity in a calm manner.
Then when i found out they closed yardsale for the pros today that got me more pissed cuz if we all have to ride yardsale, even after it rained then why not pros? rant off..
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Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2003 10:18 pm
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Shit! Dawn got hurt? I'm assuming Plattekill-Dawn and not Dawn from NH? Damn that sucks... I hope it's not too bad...
It's lame that Norba changed the course at the last minute, but it's not unusual. I remember back in '98 there was a bridge over the XC course that Sports and Beginners practiced all week, only to find out at the start that it's been removed for our race. We never praticed and even saw the go-around until a our race run. The excuse was that some Expert had crashed and broken his leg and therefor it was deemed "too dangerous." Thus began my contempt for Norba... which hasn't improved any over the past 5 years.
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Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2003 12:53 am
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i thought it was way cooler without the 'circus' yardsale. w0rd. i will say changing it last minute was dumb thou in a way (basically cause of the experts the day before).
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Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2003 12:33 pm
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thats pretty lame...to make a course EASIER for pros but not experts...
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Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2003 1:27 pm
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Well, they did the same thing last year.
The experts (including myself) looked retarded coming through the yardsale. Then, evidently the Rock Gods descended down at night and a very ridable line for the pro-semi pros emerged.
Then, I had to listen to my dumb ass teammate talk about easy it was to clean, and how he could not figure out why so many people were having problems.
When experts register, they should just slide a big bottle of astroglide in their goody bad, for the eventually shaft they are gonna get before the weekend is over.
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Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2003 2:37 pm
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Before this turns out to be an all out NORBA bashing session - keep this in mind...
We're fully lucky to have a National Series that matters. If changes need to be made to ensure the safety of it's riders - NORBA has every right to make changes at a moments notice, regardless of what has happened in the past. Take a look at NASCAR. They are constantly improving the quality control of the tracks to keep their drivers healthy. We're no different.
Experts racing the Yardsale...? Why not. If someone has to be the 'measuring stick' it damn well better be the experts. That's why they call them 'EXPERTS' in the first place. 98% of all Expert racers did not make it through cleanly. Most had above average wrecks.
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Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2003 3:09 pm
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E. Fleming wrote:
98% of all Expert racers did not make it through cleanly. Most had above average wrecks.
76.9872345% of all statistics are made up.
i watched a lot of the expert dh and i'm sure way more than 2% got through with out taking a foot off the pedals....
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2003 3:23 pm
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Experts racing the Yardsale...? Why not. If someone has to be the 'measuring stick' it damn well better be the experts. That's why they call them 'EXPERTS' in the first place. 98% of all Expert racers did not make it through cleanly. Most had above average wrecks.
If 98% of us experts werent making it through then why was it deemed rideable? And if we race it so should the pros. I am not bashing NORBA at all, I dont care who made the call, Im just stating my opinion. Most of the pros werent getting down Yardsale cleanly either and were having insane crashes as well during practice. I just dont think they should have removed it just for them....if it was deemed rideable from wed thru Sat, then it should have been in the race on Sunday. Personally I think yardsale is a bit excessive for something that late in a tiring run...but I deal with it and ride it. The pros should deal with it as well....were experts not guinnie pigs.
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Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2003 3:34 pm
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Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2003 1:18 am
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I spoke with Rennie tonight at Rye and specifically asked him about the Yardsale changes. He was all for it, he never liked the old rock garden. This concurs with what Stikman has said, and Seth (Lolli) also mentioned he liked riding the 'new' yardsale much better.
Before it was just a 'circus' kinda section. OOO lets all go watch everyone CRASH, yea that's cool.
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Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2003 12:59 pm
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[quote="DHJUNKIE"]Yeah.. Norba was really pissing me off this whole race, first with the closing of the left hand line in yardsale... if you are to stupid not to slow down a lil bit going into the rocks then thats your own damn fault for getting hurt, i took that line at a decent speed,, not going bat outta hell and made it through fine unhurt.
AGREED!
If you do not have the common sense not to rip into the rocks at 30mph after straightlining down that hill its your own damn fault. Its called a speed check.... Once again this is the expert course. Its supposed to be hard with dangerous consequences if you make a mistake. Its all about knowing your limits. I just pisses me off that they took away the straight line after two days of practicing it leaving only 1 day to practice last years line.
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Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2003 5:53 pm
DHJUNKIE
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[quote="nh dude"]
DHJUNKIE wrote:
Yeah.. Norba was really pissing me off this whole race, first with the closing of the left hand line in yardsale... if you are to stupid not to slow down a lil bit going into the rocks then thats your own damn fault for getting hurt, i took that line at a decent speed,, not going bat outta hell and made it through fine unhurt.
AGREED!
If you do not have the common sense not to rip into the rocks at 30mph after straightlining down that hill its your own damn fault. Its called a speed check.... Once again this is the expert course. Its supposed to be hard with dangerous consequences if you make a mistake. Its all about knowing your limits. I just pisses me off that they took away the straight line after two days of practicing it leaving only 1 day to practice last years line.
yup i actually only got 1 run of practice in on last years line.. somehow i made it through last years line in my race run. If i can make it through and i suck ass, i think some pro riders can deal w/ it and ride through it...
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Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2003 10:11 pm
Keefe
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[quote="E. Fleming"]Before this turns out to be an all out NORBA bashing session - keep this in mind...
We're fully lucky to have a National Series that matters. If changes need to be made to ensure the safety of it's riders - NORBA has every right to make changes at a moments notice, regardless of what has happened in the past. Take a look at NASCAR. They are constantly improving the quality control of the tracks to keep their drivers healthy. We're no different.
What a Norba kiss ass, So maybe NASCAR changes the track after 3 drivers spin a turn. Not... Like NASCAR if Norba was doing their job they would have realized in the days before practice that it was too dangerous. Thats why NASCAR and Norba have practice days before an event to see if the track and riders work together. To change it after the expert riders raced it is a disgrace. I could understand if the sport guys were up next but these were PROS and it is a insult to all involved.
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Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2003 10:57 pm
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[quote="Keefe"]
E. Fleming wrote:
Before this turns out to be an all out NORBA bashing session - keep this in mind...
We're fully lucky to have a National Series that matters. If changes need to be made to ensure the safety of it's riders - NORBA has every right to make changes at a moments notice, regardless of what has happened in the past. Take a look at NASCAR. They are constantly improving the quality control of the tracks to keep their drivers healthy. We're no different.
What a Norba kiss ass, So maybe NASCAR changes the track after 3 drivers spin a turn. Not... Like NASCAR if Norba was doing their job they would have realized in the days before practice that it was too dangerous. Thats why NASCAR and Norba have practice days before an event to see if the track and riders work together. To change it after the expert riders raced it is a disgrace. I could understand if the sport guys were up next but these were PROS and it is a insult to all involved.
Yeah, Norba should've factored in the weather forcast for the week before they decided to switch lines. Seriously, if you're gonna take that much time and effort to build a course then obviously you should take the local weather into consideration. its just flat out bullshit that all those expert riders rode yardsale and made it through and then a few pussies who race pro got their panties in a bunch about getting hurt. Mount snow has had the yardsale since at least 1998, its not anything new and anyone racing pro should've realized that it wasn't about to change. anyone racing pro at mount snow who couldn't at least try the yardsale is racing in the wrong class. furthermore, while the yardsale might be dangerous, don't forget that its a national level race. people will get hurt and its just a hazard of the sport. I'm not saying that its good that people get hurt, i'm just saying that its someting that happens.
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