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I have a DHR on order. But I've realized that I can save a few bucks (about fifty dollars) if I get the F4. But the biggest factor is that it's a good amount lighter (i think like 3-4 lbs). I'd really like to have a light bike and its weighing heavily in my mind.
I just cant make a decision though. The DHR is a proven bike and is really the best of the best. But this year its super heavy and overbuilt. I also have to drop a ton of money on the 20mm rear hub. I mean it's great that it's overbuilt, but I'm a light guy (150) and I dont break stuff easily. I like to ride smooth and dont take many chances.
That's where the F4 comes into play. It's nice and light and its proven to take abuse (ie redbull rampage this year). So that really shouldn't be an issue. If Shaums can huck with it off of cliffs at redbull, i dont think my ass is gonna break the thing. But it's not a proven bike, and I'm not sure how great the suspension will work. And there's also the floating brake that has to be taken into consideration (reliability, getting tagged by a rock).
The DHR is a proven performer and works great and everybody loves it. It's just that I can save some cash and get a lighter bike. But the lighter bike isn't proven (at least by the public). Anything that is ridden by Shuams and that chick who won the nationals will seem like a good bike because they're such great riders. And also Turner has amazing cust service (or so i hear) and i've heard some things scary things about Chumba taking a long time, but they've been answering my emails within one day lately.
I'm not gonna take how quickly i can get the frame into question because that doesnt matter right now....there's snow and there's no dh place open, so dont worry about that. Just give me your advice/tell me what you wouuld do......i have no idea what to do!!!!!!!
oh and someone buy my bullit and super t....profiles and a blackspire guide available too (profiles in super good condition)
Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2002 8:04 pm
Crazybastard
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doesn't the chumba wambu has a super long wheelbase. that is the only minus I could think of.
Dude, you need to call Turner and talk to them.
I have said this before but, everybody assumed the new DHR was
going to be heavier, and it is supposed to weigh almost the exact same
as last year's bike. The guys at Turner are saying the new linkage and new Romic have tranformed the ride. They said even with more travel
it pedals much better than even last year's model. Don't assume that
just because Turner makes bikes that last, that they are overbuilt.
The new DHR is a pure race bike, and one that was built to last you
for a long time. $50 ain't sheet when it comes to a long lasting Dh frame.
$50 is what it will cost you to ship another bike back to a company after you break it.
Plus, you won't fill the weight on the DHR because it is so low.
My DHR was a pound heavier than my last bike, but I never felt it.
Stick to your guns, bro.
Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2002 10:28 pm
vitox
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i put an f4 on a digital scale last month, but i cant remember how much it was right now, but i can tell you its not going to be 3 or 4 maybe not 2 and probably just 1 pound lighter than a DHR, i think it came out to 4900 or 5100 grams, cant quite remember.
Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2002 10:31 pm
sean
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vitox wrote:
i put an f4 on a digital scale last month, but i cant remember how much it was right now, but i can tell you its not going to be 3 or 4 maybe not 2 and probably just 1 pound lighter than a DHR, i think it came out to 4900 or 5100 grams, cant quite remember.
really....if you guys have any other ideas for a frame you can throw'em out there. And i've heard from turner owners (acadian) that building it up to less than 42 will be a chore, and everyone is talking about having their f4's below 40????
Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2002 10:43 pm
DHJUNKIE
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nixhexss wrote:
vitox wrote:
i put an f4 on a digital scale last month, but i cant remember how much it was right now, but i can tell you its not going to be 3 or 4 maybe not 2 and probably just 1 pound lighter than a DHR, i think it came out to 4900 or 5100 grams, cant quite remember.
really....if you guys have any other ideas for a frame you can throw'em out there. And i've heard from turner owners (acadian) that building it up to less than 42 will be a chore, and everyone is talking about having their f4's below 40????
dude buy acadians turner... that thing is so mint.
Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2002 11:03 pm
Colin
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buy a bike that has a spring in the back and ride the facking thing, and bounce up and down on it and be psyched that everyone will want to bounce up and down on it also in the parking lot.
these bikes are proven to bounce up and down, now how could you go wrong. besides, you didn't come riding this weekend, so it doesn't matter which bike you have because you need to ride bikes in order to buy new ones. well you don't need to ride bikes in order to buy new ones, but there is no point in buying a bike if you aren't going to ride them, yeah bitch, just don't kick me in the stomach.
get the f4 or a pacific, they are very similar from what I read on the internet.
Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2002 9:40 am
atom
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doesnt the F4 have the floater that is mounted upside down? i might be wrong, but i thought it did.
that alone is enough for me to not want that frame. i dont care who says what about that design...that is not for me. that is just 1 more thing to worry about when riding. whether or not it has no effect on the ride... i still wouldnt be down with it. especially on the east coast where its tight.
get the Turner MAN!! WTF is 2lbs!! You are on a DH bike. Are that serious of a racer? Do you really think the 2lbs is going to bring you from mid-pack to top-pack? Please... trust your instincts... from your thread its obvious you are leaning towards the turner.
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Re: Chumba Wumba F4 or Turner DHR
Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2002 9:42 am
Ian Collins
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nixhexss wrote:
The DHR is a proven bike and is really the best of the best. But this year its super heavy and overbuilt.
If Shaums can huck with it off of cliffs at redbull, i dont think my ass is gonna break the thing.
and i've heard some things scary things about Chumba taking a long time, but they've been answering my emails within one day lately.
LOOK...
1) it's not super heavy, it's THE same weight as a BEONE(which consistently gets top 5 spots on world cup podiums)...it's about the same as a foes, an intense, a giant, or a v10....
besides, the chumba is not 3-4 lbs lighter...maybe 1 or 2....
2) Sure shaums can huck it off a cliff....but how do you know the thing isn't riddled with cracks???...just cause it didn't SNAP in half doesn't mean it's durable....
3) Don't think that good customer service can be guaged by email response time...just cause they email you quick(becuase they are trying to make a $$SALE$$) doesn't mean they are going to warrantee your broken bike quickly(basically losing a $$SALE$$)
stick with the turner, i could give hundreds of reasons why, but i'm lazy....just trust me, it rules, and hey!...you're one of the lucky few that has one on order!
Oh yeah...don't be ridiculous....$50 should not sway your opinion on a bike....
Dont let the Chumba haters sway you.
Get what works best for you. Try them both if you can. We can always find out through Yodo what kind of CS Chumba has.
There is a reason Lars Tribus and Todd Bosch want to be on F4's for 2003 and it has nothing to do with sponsorship or money. They like how it rides.
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Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2002 11:02 am
Ian Collins
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Hcor wrote:
There is a reason Lars Tribus and Todd Bosch want to be on F4's for 2003 and it has nothing to do with sponsorship or money. They like how it rides.
they're not dumb....i'm sure it has ALOT to do with sponsorship, and money...i'm sure it's a good bike, but i think they turner is much better...especially for east coast/plattekill riding...
Do the F4 so i don't have to wait as long for my dhr.
jk,
the f4 looks nice and if i wasn't such a brute i'd have bought one.
T
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Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2002 3:30 pm
Hcor
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Ian Collins wrote:
Hcor wrote:
There is a reason Lars Tribus and Todd Bosch want to be on F4's for 2003 and it has nothing to do with sponsorship or money. They like how it rides.
they're not dumb....i'm sure it has ALOT to do with sponsorship, and money...i'm sure it's a good bike, but i think they turner is much better...especially for east coast/plattekill riding...
Lars had a great deal with Intense. He approached Chumba after doing the Shaums camps and getting time on the F4. They want to ride an F4 because its a great racing rig plain and simple.
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Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2002 4:35 pm
Pip3r
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dont forget shaums's street riding on that thing
that shows a ton though how agile they are
That is a way tough desicion, i think in the long run if it was me id go chumba, just to have the single pivot (reliable), and be out there on something different
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