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Postby atom » Mon Sep 09, 2002 2:23 pm

ok....


so I ordered the oil. I am going to order a set of silver springs tonight.

I am guessing then that the mod wont hurt if I do it or I dont do it.
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Postby MMike » Mon Sep 09, 2002 2:29 pm

atom wrote:ok....


so I ordered the oil. I am going to order a set of silver springs tonight.

I am guessing then that the mod wont hurt if I do it or I dont do it.


Personally I don't have any complaints about my compression so I've left mine stock.
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Postby atom » Mon Sep 09, 2002 2:36 pm

Fool wrote:Atom -- you decide on a frame?


Well.. I am working out a deal with a person right now to sell my super8. If that goes through I am gonna get a v10. I sat on one at pkill this weekend and it was perfect for me. It felt a little front heavy, but I think that had to do more with the position of the seat and seat angle. For the first time in my life a seat was actually too low!!!!

I think the v10 will make a much better and faster rider. With a lighter more agile bike I will be able to bitch it around alot better and really hammer in the turns.

If I dont sell my super8 though I really dont care b/c I still love that bike. Im actually scared that if I get a new bike Im not gonna like it at much. Then Ill really be pissed.
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Postby groundwalker » Mon Sep 09, 2002 8:51 pm

I got to agree with james. After working at a bike store for almost 4 years, you'd be surprized at what people will believe. Alot of times people would bring in nice mountain bikes for tune ups with absolutly nothing wrong with the bike. We would completely clean the bike, maybe repack a bearing, *maybe* even oil the chain if they needed. when the customer picks up the bike they would swear it worked 100 times better.

I'm not saying you do this acadian, you're probably one of the most skilled riders on here so you know best. I'm just saying in general most people are pretty easy to influence in this way.
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Postby How » Mon Sep 09, 2002 10:57 pm

While were on topic, how much does it cost to send it in to TF to be customed out? (a 03' that is)
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Postby Acadian » Tue Sep 10, 2002 5:52 am

How wrote:While were on topic, how much does it cost to send it in to TF to be customed out? (a 03' that is)


Good question, I always wondered about that. Have you tried sending Tim Flooks an e-mail? If you are in the US, the most expensive part will probably be the shipping...

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Postby Stanker » Tue Sep 10, 2002 10:40 am

Sell your 02 Boxxer and get an 03. No modification necessary, just change the oil after 40 hours. That'll give you more time to :beer:
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Postby Acadian » Tue Sep 10, 2002 11:16 am

Stanker wrote:Sell your 02 Boxxer and get an 03. No modification necessary, just change the oil after 40 hours. That'll give you more time to :beer:


hahah....I have to admit that I would have a hard time trading my '01 Boxxer...it just feels soo perfect right now! 8)
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Postby narlus » Tue Sep 10, 2002 11:30 am

Acadian wrote:
How wrote:While were on topic, how much does it cost to send it in to TF to be customed out? (a 03' that is)


Good question, I always wondered about that. Have you tried sending Tim Flooks an e-mail? If you are in the US, the most expensive part will probably be the shipping...

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a quick glance @ the site said 120 pounds sterling for the black box treatment.
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Postby Acadian » Tue Sep 10, 2002 11:33 am

narlus wrote:a quick glance @ the site said 120 pounds sterling for the black box treatment.


wow...almost $200 US :shock:
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Postby Stanker » Tue Sep 10, 2002 6:13 pm

Wow, my buddy paid $100 for his to get black boxed.....now they feel like crap though.. :shock:
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Postby JamesNoBrakes » Tue Sep 10, 2002 6:44 pm

sounds like smoke and mirrors.
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Postby Acadian » Tue Sep 10, 2002 6:53 pm

JamesNoBrakes wrote:sounds like smoke and mirrors.


you mean magic? :shock:
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Postby How » Tue Sep 10, 2002 7:30 pm

Ok, hehe that's a little too much ;). How should I tune my 03' to take big drops (15+ feet), yet be plush on the dowhilling too? Basically, what do you think Tyler Klassen and those guys did to their forks... I weigh 155
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Postby Acadian » Tue Sep 10, 2002 7:39 pm

How wrote:Ok, hehe that's a little too much ;). How should I tune my 03' to take big drops (15+ feet), yet be plush on the dowhilling too? Basically, what do you think Tyler Klassen and those guys did to their forks... I weigh 155


just to take drops...My guss is that stock setting would be just fine.
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Postby How » Tue Sep 10, 2002 7:47 pm

I think the problem with mine might be the fact that it's 6", I was told there are some compression issues on the 6" Race, maybe i'll boost it up to 7"... anyone know what a set of spings should run me? Anyone want some stock 6" springs?
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Postby Shibby » Tue Sep 10, 2002 9:24 pm

If it helps me go faster, bring on the psychological improvements.

Question: Will the high-speed damping of the '03 Boxxer Race have any worse characteristics than the '02 or '03 Team? Spiking, etc...

Just curious, because it seems like there has to be SOME performance sacrifice for them to get the price down that low.
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Postby madbiker » Tue Sep 10, 2002 10:11 pm

I have been considering the Team boxxer for next year, just wondering if anyone has any word on how much better it feels than the Race, .2 pounds be damned......
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Postby JamesNoBrakes » Tue Sep 10, 2002 10:14 pm

If it helps me go faster, bring on the psychological improvements.

I agree!
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Postby Espen » Tue Sep 10, 2002 10:33 pm

Have any of you tried a stock 03 Team?
Well I got one, from the box it felt harsh, noisy and it defenately spiking on highspeed bumps.
I shipped it to Stendec-works UK. I received it a few days ago and the changes he made is defenately not psyckological only.
Now it feels like a good DH fork should. Works great on both highspeed small bumps and ramps up to take big comps. This mod costed 60£, it's defenately woth it IMO.

I am not shure the 03 is a big step foreward. It's possible to get enough rebound with 5-7.5w oils but the range is available within 1/2 turn with the adjusterknob. This makes it hard to find the right point.
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Postby JamesNoBrakes » Tue Sep 10, 2002 10:39 pm

Well I got one, from the box it felt harsh

did you attempt to set it up according to the manufacturer specs?

Just curious.
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Postby atom » Wed Sep 11, 2002 2:06 pm

I was told that each leg needs different levels of fluid.

I think it was 185cc in the left leg (compression) and 200cc in the right (rebound) or am I reversed?
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Postby Acadian » Wed Sep 11, 2002 2:26 pm

atom wrote:I was told that each leg needs different levels of fluid.

I think it was 185cc in the left leg (compression) and 200cc in the right (rebound) or am I reversed?


Atom...you read the new "oil level" section on the RS site eh? :wink: you can't fool me! 8)

I think what they are trying to do by suggesting suck numbers is get some progression out of the travel by having a smaller air volume on that side to ramp the travel up at the end of the stroke. That said, if you ask any RS tech at races, or Tim F at TF shock, they will say use 200cc in each leg (that is for '01-'02 as the '03 is different). I'm going to stick with the 200cc's. I guess you can experiment with oil heights, you can change the way the fork behaves at the end of the travel?
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Postby Espen » Wed Sep 11, 2002 4:47 pm

JamesNoBrakes wrote:Well I got one, from the box it felt harsh

did you attempt to set it up according to the manufacturer specs?

Just curious.



Of cource!
There where not enough oil inside. I have been incontact with RS US several times, they told me the right levels. The fork was shipped with too heavy springs, they where supposed to be medium but, way to heavy fore my 194 pounds! I am now running one soft and one "medium"
Mechanical noise, springs was hitting the walls. Paint falling off the casting.

Not too impressive IMO.
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Postby Stanker » Fri Sep 13, 2002 1:25 am

Espen wrote:
JamesNoBrakes wrote:Well I got one, from the box it felt harsh

did you attempt to set it up according to the manufacturer specs?

Just curious.



Of cource!
There where not enough oil inside. I have been incontact with RS US several times, they told me the right levels. The fork was shipped with too heavy springs, they where supposed to be medium but, way to heavy fore my 194 pounds! I am now running one soft and one "medium"
Mechanical noise, springs was hitting the walls. Paint falling off the casting.

Not too impressive IMO.


hmm, mine seem to work great out of the box. Not sure why Espen had so many problems. Sounds like the springs were an issue though.
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